A.G. Forman, DSC, RN), HMS Loyal (Lt.Cdr. The message to the desperate Argentina government seemed clear. We have a surface fleet of 50plus DD/FF and a fleet of SSN a significant amphibious force and 2 VSTOL Carriers. HMS "Berwick" anti submarine frigate. D.W. Austin, RN), HMS Lauderdale (Lt. G.D. As for Atlantic Conveyor, I can't see how this changes things enough so that she isn't sent. Tiba (Dutch, 5239 GRT, built 1942), Argentinas junta were making threats against the Falklandsagain trying to draw attention away from domestic problems. R.L. AR was on a wing and a prayer by the time it was decommissioned. Cant recall anyone at the time suggesting it should have remained in-service: surely the RN had its hands full in trying to ensure a speedy delivery of the Invincible class? Group VI, 1st division; Derbyshire, Letitia, Mooltan and Nieuw Zeeland. However, sadly the aircraft carriers which replaced her were not able to be equipped with traditional aircraft. These ships were considered expendable. The Americans concluded that even Nimitz-size ships would often have been out of limits. His book is a great read, but its also heavily biased. We have been on patrol in the Gulf since 1980, demonstrating the UKs commitment to peace and stability. Convoy KMF A 1 was to pass the Strait of Gibraltar around 0100A/6; it was made up of the (troop) transports; H.E.F. Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. Purse, DSC and Bar, RN) and HMS Wheatland (Lt.Cdr. She was to escort them to Algiers but all had to be scuttled and the troops were taken on board HMS Spey. Viceroy of India (British, 19627 GRT, built 1929), Someone did write an alternate history thread on if her sister ship hms eagle was still around in time for the falklands. R. de L. Brooke, DSC, RN) and HMS Wilton (Lt. A.P. Empire Confidence (British, 5023 GRT, built 1925), From Malta departed the bombardment / cover force which was made up of the light cruisers HMS Aurora (Commodore W.G. That said no creative fiction on how you'd win the Falklands and invade Bolivia (the true puppetmasters behind Chile). Ardeola (British, 2609 GRT, built 1912), My argument here is that with the ability to launch fixed-wing aircraft which HMS. Around 0725Z/7, HMS Clare parted company to join ' Force O ' which she did around 0913Z/7. So it was thought there could have been a chance to roll launch over the ramp of Hermes. Two ships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Rhyl, after the town of Rhyl in Wales: HMS Rhyl (J36) was a Bangor -class minesweeper launched in 1940 and sold in 1948. HMS Rhyl (F129) was a Rothesay -class frigate launched in 1959 and expended as a target in 1985. Harcourt, CBE, RN), escort carrier HMS Biter (Capt. The stability of our nation depends on the freedom of the seas. As one operator recalled: "While close to the coast with a rough sea, and perhaps with electronic countermeasures jammers in use, it could be hard work to keep a workable picture.". blake also at chatham could have been reactivated although the required 450 crew to be found at such short notice would have been a real problem. During her last refit she was fitted for four Sea Cat missile launchers, but they were never installed, so she emerged from this refit with no defensive armament. Please leave a comment below if you have something to say! Billot, RNR), HMS Walney (Lt.Cdr. From Sfax, ' Convoy A ' sailed for the landings on Pantelleria. Lycaon (British, 7350 GRT, built 1913), Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Mandatory Fun, https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hms-eagle-in-the-falklands.447558/. failure to convert the rivers to be able to carry out asw is another opportunity lost. Her government did not keep an eye on the situation and sent misleading signals (Withdrawal of the Endurance) that led the Argentines to think there would be no serious response to an invasion. You are right will, I referenced Nott as he was removed in 1981 (Start of the cuts). The Joint Forcible Entry Division, the new structure for What were some examples of Japan making bad military Why did the Challenger 1 tank have such a short career How does the crime of "shielding" work when fighting How does a Carl Gustav-style weapon compare to the RPG-7? Around 1950A/4, the light cruiser HMS Aurora (Capt. On assembly off Oversay on the 27th the convoy was escorted by the light cruiser HMS Sheffield (Capt. Also part of the convoy were the landing ships Just having Ark Royal would create a more definite risk as if anything happens to her then the TF has no air cover at all but on the other hand there's a far better chance that the RN doesn't take anywhere near the losses it does. Scott, RN) departed Gibraltar to join the convoy. The likelihood of retaining the territory would have been very low, and likely that the Argentines would have held back their plans. L.H. Williams, RN) and HMS Cadmus (Lt.Cdr. D.E. Around 1120A/2, the destroyers HrMs Isaac Sweers (Capt. Likewise the Bucc would give a far better ground attack capability as well as a far greater threat to any Argentinian naval attack, likely stopping any sortie by the General Belgrano in the first place. Even with just Harriers, that's a significant advantage. A memorial was subsequently erected to the lost crewmen on Berthas Beach which remains a popular site with British personnel stationed in the Falklands. The fact that its"self recorded by the Author" does not suprise me one bit. Learn more about the Royal Navys priorities and what we do day-to-day. On the 4th May 1982 she was struck by an Exocet air-launched missile fired from an Argentinian Navy Super Etendard aircraft. A. Stirling, RNR) and HMS Shiant (T/Lt. Around 1500A/6, the minesweepers HMS Brixham (Lt. G.A. G.D. Belben, DSC, AM, RN) and the destroyers HMS Laforey (Capt. Historically British governments have neglected defence spending and I fear one day we may get caught out. The peacetime crews of the "Round Table" ships British merchant seamen, operating under Ministry of Defence jurisdiction were joined by British servicemen as signalmen, stevedores and gunners.[7][8]. People and machines have limits that arent always readily apparent, something we should always consider in alt-history scenarios. Exercise Joint Warrior is the largest military exercise in Europe, bringing together the Royal Navy, the Royal Air Force and the British Army, as well as forces from other nations. Peachey, RN), destroyer HMS Vansittart, sloop HMS Aberdeen and the frigates HMS Exe and HMS Swale. Bennetts, RN), HMS Bramham (Lt. E.F. Baines, DSO, RN), HMS Cowdray (Lt.Cdr. Civilian trawlers converted to Extra-Deep Armed Team Sweep (EDATS) with some extempore acoustic and sonar equipment. They were brought into Bizerta where their cargo was unloaded. Also arriving at Gibraltar were the Leinster, HMS Royal Scotsman, HMS Royal Ulsterman and Ulster Monarch. Convoy KMS O 1 was to pass the Strait of Gibraltar around 1630A/6; it was made up of the transports; Awatea, Via Matteotti, 3721040 Vedano Olona VA. gordon, gino and fred season 2 episode 5(function (w,d) {var loader = function () {var s = d.createElement("script"), tag = d.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.src="https://cdn.iubenda.com/iubenda.js"; tag.parentNode.insertBefore(s,tag);}; if(w.addEventListener){w.addEventListener("load", loader, false);}else if(w.attachEvent){w.attachEvent("onload", loader);}else{w.onload = loader;}})(window, document); Orari di Apertura | Mart- Sab 08:30 12:30 15:00 -19:30, Ottica Zago 2018 All Rights Reserved - P.IVA 03256230123 -Design. With no Falklands war the junta would probably have survived for some time, with increasingly brutal suppression ofRead more . Brooke, DSO, DSC and Bar, RN). She sank on the 10th May 1982. By the time she was paid off in 79 she was in a horrendous state. Would have been interesting! He never lived to collect it. HMS Rhyl Two ships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Rhyl, after the town of Rhyl in Wales: HMS Rhyl (J36) was a Bangor -class minesweeper launched in 1940 and sold in 1948. They were escorted by the sloop HMS Stork and the corvettes HMS Pentstemon and HMS Samphire. Fraser, RNR) and the motor launches HMS ML 280, HMS HDML 1127. HMS Hermes, was converted to a helicopter carrier, and then to a vertical take-off and landing aircraft carrier suitable for the Harrier jump jets which were invaluable to military efforts during the Falklands War. They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Palomeres, destroyer ORP Blyskawica, escort destroyers HMS Lamerton, HMS Wheatland, HMS Wilton, minesweepers HMS Acute, HMS Alarm, HMS Albacore, MS trawlers HMS Hoy, HMS Incholm, HMS Mull and the motor launches HMS ML 238, HMS ML 307 and HMS ML 444. Nuclear submarines lurking off the Argentine coast could provide a 45 minute alert of an incoming raid. The radar only had an effective range of a 100 miles. Comments may automatically be held for moderation by our team, they will be approved as soon as possible in accordance with our. Convoy B ' was made up of the landing ship HMS Royal Ulsterman (Lt.Cdr. Heimer, USCG) and USS Thomas Stone (Capt. Phantoms were faster, longer ranged, had better radar than the harriers plus carried Skyflash missiles (an upgraded sparrow). Does that remind you of how the Argentines were flying? From what I have read and been told both the eagle and ark were materially nackered, the fact they got ark beyond the mid seventies was miraculous. The equivelent of jumping up and down and shouting look at me. We wouldve been far better off retaining HMS Eagle, she was in a far better state than the Ark. Corneby, RNR), HMS Kerrera (Skr. Around 1000A/6, HMS Broke, HMS Malcolm, HMS Vanoc and HMS Wrestler joined ' Force O ' while the screen on ' Force O ' joined the convoy, the destroyers / escort destroyers involved were ORP Blyskawica (Lt.Cdr. Physical and mental fitness are at the heart of Royal Navy life. Group II; HMS Glengyle, Monarch of Bermuda, Llangibby Castle, Clan Mactaggart and Salacia. Around 1830A/5, the M/S trawlers HMS Cava (T/Lt. The Buccs are Buccs. The Ark was a nightmare to keep operational her whole career. It wasnt the capability which failed to deter it was the will to use it. The forces that were still at sea were then dispersed. Not only the AEW Gannet would have make a diference, the Ark Royal Radar itsel was far more capable for detecting at long range that any other ship at the Falkands. British intelligence had evidence of preparations but assumed they were bluffing. HMS Spey by that time had departed with the ships 24 landing craft in which the ships troops had embarked. Ocean Wanderer, The weather. yet we have the entire swift shure class submarines rotting in devonport and rosyth, along with the retired, too soon trafalgars.these should all be surveyed and maintained in a condition which would make reactivation possible. At 0535A/8 the tug St. Day joined which also passed a tow. H.N.A. From the Vanguard-class ballistic submarine to the formidable HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, our equipment is among the best in the world. A.P. ' J.H. Durban Castle (British, 17388 GRT, built 1938), G.H. This is quite something and definitely would have been an effective deterrent. Johns, RN), HMS Antelope (Lt.Cdr. From that moment, war was inevitable as the junta could not have backed down and survived. Twin Auto 6inch and twin Auto 3 Inch turrets would have ruined any ashore forces day. They bomb stuff and do it well. The only doubt I have of phantom v harrier is the ability to launch them, not sure how well the phantoms would have fared in the conditions down south. Intensive and increasingly unsuccessful maintenance and a new programme of continuous servicing and repair with RN maintenance ships always in her task groups, kept her going until late 1978, with increasing mechanical and electrical failures-leading to decommission in Nov 1978. This is quite something and definitely would have been an effective deterrent. Exceller (American, 6597 GRT, built 1941), Marnix van St. Aldegonde, Thatchers government had been working on a white paper to handover or lease back the islands. Sign up today and take part in our online community. Trentham, RN), minesweepers HMS Brixham, HMS Bude, HMS Clacton, HMS Felixtowe, HMS Polruan (Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) The Buccaneer's buddy-tanking capability could also have been used to keep Phantoms on CAP longer. Around 0200A/6, the destroyers HMS Broke (Lt.Cdr. Obviously, Galtieri and his gang launched the invasion to distract attention from their domestic problems, and as I said before, in the expectation that Britain lacked the will to do anything militarily, irrespective of what forcesRead more . The coxswain of Foxtrot 4 ignored orders to stay away from the fire-ravaged HMS Antelope after an unexploded bomb detonated. The surrender of Linosa Island was accepted by HMS Nubian. I've been listening to Sharkey Ward's book "Sea Harrier over the Falklands" (interestingly self recorded by the author), and it has made me wonder if the outcome of the Falklands War would have been significantly different if HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible and their Sea Harriers would have been replaced by HMS Arc Royal and her Phantoms and Buccaneers. Operating them off Atlantic Conveyor would be hilarious but probably not workable in the slightest. All five minesweepers were involved in clearing two minefields off Port Stanley. HMS Spey remained with the damaged ship. From Wikipedia: and was commissioned as a regular officer in the 2nd Gurkha Rifles (19521956). LCU F4 was one of four landing craft assigned to HMS Fearless with 4 Assault Squadron Royal Marines, designed to land commandos and their kit ashore which they did from the moment the campaign to re-take the Falklands began with the landings at San Carlos on May 21. No lighting , big holes in the internal decks, A few things: In 1972 Ark Royal was rushed to Belize to deter a Guatemalan invasion. It is one of those what-if scenarios that can be debated, would it have stopped the war? Storey, RN) also departed Gibraltar to join the convoy. Despite efforts to take the stricken boat in tow, she was eventually cut adrift. They were escorted by the escort destroyers HMS Eggesford (Lt.Cdr. Charles H. Cramp, But six weeks is a very long time to keep just twelve Phantoms and their crews flying without any possibility of reinforcement or replacement. W.E. For ' Y ' beach D. Cook, USNR), USS Samuel Chase (Capt. Sobo, The convoy was escorted by the sloop HMS Stork, corvettes HMS Convolvulus, HMS Marigold, HMS Pentstemon, HMS Samphire [this corvette might have already parted company though, see below] and the minesweepers HMS Acute, HMS Alarm, HMS Albacore and HMS Cadmus. The ships were later taken over by the Italians. St. Essylt (British, 5634 GRT, built 1941), I heard that the the yanks were impressed by the Bucks at Red Flag. Alphard (British, 5483 GRT, built 1937), Agnew, CB, RN), HMS Newfoundland (Capt. Shaw, RNR), HMS Polruan (Lt. C.D. Mooltan (British, 20952 GRT, built 1923), Sobieski (British, 11030 GRT, built 1939), H.R. underwent many refits and innovations, it did suffer from technical issues due to the age of the vessel as it was built in 1944. Smaller carriers are especially susceptible to being tossed around in rough weather. This is the case of accountancy over strategic necessity. Its American-designed AN/APS-20F search radar had first entered service in 1945. Ede, DSO, RN), HMS Stornoway (T/A/Lt.Cdr. At 1045A/3, the destroyer HMS Wivern (Cdr. Crucially it also carried the Gannet AEW system which would have provided and invaluable early warning system. blakes 6 inch gun used in ngs role would have been invaluable, plus she had an armoured hull. I believed they even looked at an ocean going tug towing a Bulwark down there with strap on DG sets in containers fixed on board for power just to provide an extra flight deck. McNair, MBE, RNVR), HMS Inchcolm (Skr. 14 Buccaneer S2s, 12 Phantom FG1s, 4 Gannet AEW3, 1 Gannet COD4, 7 Sea king, and 2 Wessex helicopters. Maintaining a state of readiness to protect the interests of Britain and our allies. I could be wrong, but I thought John Nott was Minister for Defence at the time. The difference was illustrated in 1983 when Hermes was exercising with an American Carrier in the Caribbean when a storm blew up Hermes recovered her Sea Harriers no problem, it was a bit touch and go for the Yanks. With them were also transports from convoy KMS A1. Groups VI and VII were escorted by the light (AA) cruiser HMS Delhi (Capt. They were escorted by the destroyers Brilliant, HMS Verity, M/S trawlers HMS Coriolanus, HMS Eday, HMS Inchmarnock, HMS Kerrera and the motor launches HMS ML 458, HMS ML 463, HMS ML 469, HMS ML 471 and HMS HDML 1128. Also, prior to the invasion there were massive demonstrations against the junta in Argentina. Tegelberg (Dutch, 14150 GRT, built 1937), Miller, DSC, RNR) and HMS Jonquil (Lt.Cdr. At 2040A/7, the destroyers HMS Wishart and HMS Velox joined and the ship was taken in tow by HMS Wishart. Even even the phantoms and buccaneers could take off, landing was a whole new ball game. I read that Bulwark was actually examined during the war to investigate if it could be brought quickly back into service and rushed south but its material state was too far gone by that time. ADM numbers indicate documents at the British National Archives at Kew, London. Thirty-eight years ago, HMS Coventry sank during the Falklands War. Thatchers government had published the infamous 1981 defence review which would have seen HMS Invincible sold to Australia and Fearless and Intrepid scrapped, in addition a patrol vessel usually deployed to the region was withdrawn. Loveband, RN), escort destroyers HMS Bicester (Lt.Cdr. Hamer, RN), HMS Largs (Cdr. In 1982, Plymouth was one of the first Royal Navy ships to arrive in the South Atlantic during the Falklands War. Whether or not the British would have taken the war to the mainland, is open to conjecture, but the possibility of such action would have halted their ambitionsRead more , The fact is that the Government and MOD are not interested in History Lesson or assessing future threats only the moment is considered and turn a blind eye to the Future. H.J. The Gannett would have been a useful addition, but its usefulness with Argentine low level raiders over the Islands would have been limited by its radars limitations with ground clutter. Had we continued with conventional carrier the harrier would have never been pressed in to navy service. July, 1979. Keeping her was not a choice that could have been made, just a matter of how long the last of her spare parts (most recycled from Eagle) would keep working. The Phantoms would have been armed with the radar guided Sky Flash AAM. Firth, RNVR), HMS Marigold (Lt. J.A.S. Could have given the Task Force earlier warning of Argentine air raids? Delilian (British, 6423 GRT, built 1923), Boys-Smith, DSO and Bar, RD, RNR), HMS Swale (Lt.Cdr. E.M.C. Dempo, The war needed to have been fought as long as the Argentinians held the Falklands. J. Byron, DSC, RNR), HMS Rhododendron (Lt.Cdr. A catapult capable aircraft has to be significantly strengthened especially at the points where the catapult attaches whether it be a bridle system as operated on the AR or a nose gear shuttle and horn arrangement as operated on the modern US carriers. The cruisers and fleet destroyers then proceeded to Lampedusa. Strathnaver, D. Lampen, DSO, RN), HMS Alarm (T/Lt.Cdr. Not really. Once your force of twelve F-4s is reduced to ten, or eight, or six serviceable airframes it all starts to look a little more tenuous.". The Gannet is actually the real game-changer here. All three ships would be hit, 39 sailors died, and only one of the three ships would return home. J.W. D.S. McMullan, RNR) escorted by the M/S trawler HMS Horatio (T/Lt. WebHMS Rhyl was a Rothesay or Type 12I class anti-submarine frigate of the British Royal Navy, launched by Lady Macmillan on 23 February 1959 and commissioned in October 1960. White, RN), HMS Stork (Cdr. HMS. Moving slowly in open waters, she proved easy prey for Argentine aircraft. G.L.D. From Sousse, departed ' Convoy B ' and ' Convoy C '. W.G. This convoy was made up the headquarters ship HMS Largs (Cdr. Recorder, Awatea (British, 13482 GRT, built 1936), Wilson scrapped the newer ship. P.C. There were also plans to sell the Australians the HMS Invincible, but after the Falklands war, and the government seeing the utility of this ship it was decided to cancel to sale. HMS Plymouth was a Royal Navy Rothesay -class frigate. Manchester Port (British, 7071 GRT, built 1935), No reason why Harriers, if deployed on CATO-BAR carriers in the Falklands War couldnt be Catapulted, and Land STOVL? WebOriginal Royal Navy Photograph. Saner minds prevailed and they didnt reactivate any of them. C.G. Aircraft. HMS Falkland (1696) was a 54-gun fourth-rate ship of the line, purchased in 1696. However, sadly the aircraft carriers which replaced her were not able to be equipped with traditional aircraft. The AA ship HMS Tynwald (Capt.(Retd.) Hore-Lacy, RN), HMS Keren (A/Cdr. A.C. Whitcombe, RNR), HMS Mull (Lt. J. Plomer, RCNVR), HMS Rysa (T/Lt. Personnel from across the Services, veterans and members of the Falklands community joined the Royal Navys Landing Craft community in remembering the forgotten My argument here is that with the ability to launch fixed-wing aircraft which HMS Ark Royal would have been able to, would have shifted the balance of power more favorably to the British Royal Navy, and provided even greater aircover while possibly deterring the war in the first place. The ship entered HMNB Devonport, and was subsequently decommissioned on the 14th February 1979. Russell, RN), HMS Vanoc ( A/Cdr. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); if nothing else the Gannet AEW3 would have been a game changer and could have saved multiple ships lost due to the inability to spot incoming bombers early enough. The Labour government sent several destroyers/frigates to the area to show their resolve and the junta did nothing. What if a hunting Gannet been able to perform its other doctrinal role--maritime search-- and find the 25 de Mayo carrier group northwest of the Falklands? Ark Royal carried airborne early warning aircraft in the (unique) shape of the Fairest Gannet. Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. The Royal Navy was in a middle of another round of defence cuts which would have meant some of the capital ships including HMS, Sadly, the political issue of saving money in spite of our defence needs was one which led to the ultimate decision to scrap. The illegal invasion of sovereign British territory by the Argentinian government seemed to be predicated on the belief that the UK would not fight to retrieve them. This Endurance served an amazing career during the Falklands Conflict with The AEW version of the Sea King arrived in theatre after the fighting was over. Powney, RNVR) departed Gibraltar to join the convoy KMS O1. But even partial early warning is better than no warning at all, especially if the threat of detection and interception deters your opponent from using the most direct attack routes. We usually frown on counterfactuals as a subreddit, but this one is at least broadly answerable in terms of capabilities. It required constant fiddling and adjustment to track targets, putting a constant strain on the operator. Duchess of Bedford (British, 20123 GRT, built 1928), Group IX; LST's HMS Misoa (T/Lt. Strathnaver (British, 22283 GRT, built 1931), HMS Rhyl was a Rothesay-class or Type 12I anti-submarine frigate of the Royal Navy, launched by Lady Macmillan on 23 February 1959 and commissioned in October 1960. At 2214A/7, the made contact with their beacon submarine HMS P 221 (Lt. M.F.R. R.V.E. William M. Wirt (American, 7191 GRT, built 1942) and Rear-Admiral McGregor transferred his flag to HMS Tartar. The landing ships Dewdale and Ennerdale were also part of the convoy. Tyrwhitt, DSC, RN), HMS Troubridge (Capt. Christie, OBE, RN), HMS Ibis (Lt.Cdr. https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hms-eagle-in-the-falklands.447558/ great story. Brewer, RN), corvettes HMS Convolvulus (A/Lt.Cdr. Protecting our nations interests: guardian, diplomat and humanitarian force for good. If he had scrapped Ark Royal and kept Eagle, we would probably still have had a carrier for the job. HMS Plymouth was a Royal Navy Rothesay -class frigate. Lochmonar, Edward Rutledge, A.A. Martin, DSC, RD, RNR), HMS Rhyl (Cdr. Whether its dealing with the demands of deployment or the rigours of relocation, we make sure that the family and friends of Naval Service personnel have all the help, guidance and support they need, every day. A.E.T. This range extension might even allowed for attacks on airfields in Argentina itself (a scheme that was actually considered for land-based RAF Buccaneers from Ascension). Dont knowRead more . It was a mistake for the Ministry of Defence, despite the technical and mechanical difficulties which beset HMS, Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, The importance of the Glasgow area to the Royal Navy. Harper, RNR), HMS Hoy (T/Lt. Gibbs, DSO and Bar, RN), HMS Royal Scotsman (Lt.Cdr. As British aviation historian Rowland White has argued: "In the end it was, as it so often is, more a numbers game than anything. Recorder (British, 5981 GRT, built 1930), Ettrick, A.T.G.C. R.E. Divers, OBE, RNR, flying the flag of Rear-Admiral R.R. This was a state of the art missile at the time, but the aircrafts systems could only engage one target at a time. Warfare is going down the path of smaller, high tech engagements against terror groups and even an engagement with another nation could be limited, unless we are talking Russia, which to me is highly unlikely. L.J.S. Had there been a conventional carrier down there, such as Ark Royal, we would have been out of limits a lot of the time. From memory the Argies were more bothered about getting In and established before a sub could be sent. A.H.T. Slater, RNR) and the motor launches ML 280, ML 458, ML 463, ML 469, ML 471, ML 480, ML 483 and HDML 1127, HDML 1128 and HDML 1139 departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMS O1. It had already had a reprieve and its time in-service date put forward. The picket warships would only have 15-20 minutes warning (and due to technical glitches and human errors, sometimes no warning at all). Please note that we're still working on this section and that we only list Commanding Officers for the duration of the Second World War. 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